Pete Clark:
Welcome to this week's edition of Freedom Friday's podcast, where I have, I was going to say, an unusual guest. It's not that. Well, actually it is quite unusual. He's been a previous guest and he's an old colleague, a dear, dear friend who would probably put on my list if I needed support or a get out of jail free card, I would do it for him and I hope he might do it for me. So please welcome to the podcast Mister Steve Ellis.
Steve Ellis:
Thank you very much, Pete, that. Very kind of you to say that. I like that. Get out of jail free card. It depends what I'm in jail for. Correct, correct.
Pete Clark:
Now, Steve, we chatted last time a bit about a very personal transformation you've gone through, and we can link the podcast to the notes. But what's interesting is you've now gone on and done something quite extraordinary and quite, some would say risky and adventurous and inspiring. And that's what I'd love to talk about and where it's led you.
Steve Ellis:
Yeah. Which might be more weird, but yeah.
Pete Clark:
So post a very personal transformation. What have you done recently?
Steve Ellis:
So the transformation was because I've been diagnosed as pre diabetic. Right. So the transformation to do with shifting my diet around, which has continued. So that's good. A few moments of falling off the log. So I'm not sure the transformation is yet at the identity level, but it's behavioral. So that's continued. But.
Steve Ellis:
And that was taking place, I guess, from about, what was it, April last year through to. Well, it's still going on. October last year, my wife and I walked to Everest base camp, which was a sort of bucket list. Bucket list thing. And, yeah, thoroughly enjoyed it and an amazing experience. Journey destination, arguably, in two weeks, a mini version of life, you know, a hero's journey in two weeks kind of stuff. So, yeah, it was amazing.
Pete Clark:
Was it deb's bucket list or your bucket list or did you inspire each other?
Steve Ellis:
That's a good question. Yeah, both. Both. So Debbie. Debbie had been on a trip in 2016. I think she went, I can't quite remember when she climbed to the top of Kilimanjaro. Kilimanjaro's off the top of my head, something like 5600, 700 meters high. Everest base camp is 5350.
Steve Ellis:
So I still haven't gone as high as Debbie, but she reminds me. Yeah, yeah, so she does. So we both. Oh, yeah, she does, actually. Yeah. So we both like that kind of walking we know kind of thing. So definitely on both of our lists to do.
Pete Clark:
And, yeah, you know what it reminded me of? And this is a bizarre reference that not many people might get. Do you remember the pina colada song?
Steve Ellis:
A pina colada? That one.
Pete Clark:
Correct.
Steve Ellis:
Correct.
Pete Clark:
I like water. And the couple only discovered it when they got pissed off and bored with each other that they wrote. Someone wrote an ad in the paper for I like pina coladas and walking in the rain. And the other person responded to it. Oh, it's you.
Steve Ellis:
I said it. I didn't know it was you.
Pete Clark:
And it just reminded me of that, you know, was it on your bucket list or Deb's bucket list and kind of go, maybe it was bosa.
Steve Ellis:
Yeah. So, yeah. Yeah, I think so. How dare you? What climbing kilo manjaro begets climbing Everest? I don't know. It sort of. Maybe it wasn't until she'd done that kind of stuff.
Pete Clark:
Wow.
Steve Ellis:
Yeah.
Pete Clark:
So good fun. Tell me, tell me the hero's journey then. What. What's. What did life throw at you in that two week experience?
Steve Ellis:
Ah, you know, where'd you start? So, journey. Journey to the start. So, you know, fly from Manchester over to Kathmandu. Kathmandu? That in itself is a thing. Kathmandu to a place called Lukla. That's amazing. Lukla is, I believe, uh, folklore has it, both the smallest airport and the most dangerous airport in the world. It's.
Steve Ellis:
It's on the. It's on the mountains, the mountain side. And, um. And the planes that fly into Luklow airport don't have, uh, a navigation system. So they. So the pilots are using, literally their eyes. So, mountain to the left, mountain to the right, mountain in front of me. Got a land somewhere in the middle of these things on a.
Steve Ellis:
On a tiny Runway.
Pete Clark:
Yeah.
Steve Ellis:
Brilliant. Which in itself causes problems because if the weather's not good, then all the flights are cancelled. So we were really lucky we got into Lukla. And about an hour after we arrived, the airport closed for three days. So everybody who's planning their trip can't even start their trip.
Pete Clark:
I'll tell you when you exit Kathmandu story. So I traveled with my mates around the world years and years ago. One of the places we stopped at was Kathmandu. And of course, to see Everest, we got the taxi out of Kathmandu up to the top of the crater at the top of the. And there's a picture of ten of us all lined up and it's just cloud in the backgrounds and there's a little bic pen drawing of Everest. Because it was cloudy, the only baby was there. It was cloudy, we couldn't see it. But the guide was saying, oh, it's over there, it's over there and you're going to go, okay, I believe.
Pete Clark:
Yeah.
Steve Ellis:
Okay. Good, good, good. Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, if it's not on the photograph, it never happened. So that was great. And the interesting thing is about flying out of Lukla. So when you fly out, you literally, the airplane revs up its wheels so fast, it's like. And then releases the handbrake, sets off and it looks like it, literally, that falls off the Runway at the end.
Steve Ellis:
It's like, that's pretty scary. So from there, you know, there's, look, there's a group of people which make it super special. We were lucky, I guess, that the people that we were walking with were just eclectic, interesting variable, kind, nice, supportive, just, just a fabulous group of people from all walks of life that I just found super interesting. And, you know, you take that hero salad. Yeah, your fruit salad, and diverse and just, you know, if you wanted to draw links with outside of that trip into, into industry or life, just to spend time with diverse groups of people was just brilliant. Then along the way, just wonderful stuff happens. The scenery is amazing. You've got some, you know, picture postcard photographs, walking across Hillary's bridge, which is Edmund Hillary's bridge that he built, which is just amazing photographs, great scenery, challenges with animals like the yaks that you're within.
Steve Ellis:
Like, you're within 1ft of a spear that stuck to the side of their heads. As far as I could concern, that's just waiting to rip your leg off and you're like, whoa, that's a bit tight. So all the animals. But the local culture is amazing. The monasteries are amazing. I was sharing earlier with you, Dave.
Pete Clark:
It'S interesting you mentioned Hillary's bridge. We're actually recording this, I think, three days after my latest weekly whisper, which was about using mountains as a metaphor. And the opening quote is from Edmund Hillary, and he said, you don't conquer the mountain, you conquer yourself.
Steve Ellis:
There's so much of that. Well, I recently had a conversation with a client, which was the wizard of Ozdev narrative, and you go, same thing, right? Dorothy was conquering herself. The wizard was just giving her a challenge in which Dorothy would discover more about herself. So totally agree with that. You know, the mountains, the challenge, the, the actual journey is a journey of self discovery and it's, it's lovely. So loads of things along the way.
Pete Clark:
What did you discover about that's?
Steve Ellis:
A good. That's a lovely question. Well, one, I discovered that I didn't suffer from altitude sickness, which is.
Pete Clark:
Good job, mate.
Steve Ellis:
That was good. So that's useful for what happens next. Really. So I didn't suffer from altitude sickness. I'm pretty tolerant of. Pretty tolerant of very cold conditions at night. I can live without a shower for quite a while because that's necessary. I'm okay with drop down toilets.
Steve Ellis:
I can converse with people. I can feel comfortable with the unknown. I'm kinder than I thought. Wow. Really? I'm surprised.
Pete Clark:
The reason I'm asking the question is because I put both of us in a large bucket of people that have been deeply introspective and thoughtful about how we operate, how we show up. It's what we teach. Right. And so even to ask the question what did you learn about yourself? And there's tons coming out, is kind of a surprise, but not a surprise as in just putting yourself in, colliding with the world means I'm going to learn different things. But for you to say I'm kinder than I thought, well, that's an interesting contract, my friend. Contrast, my friend.
Steve Ellis:
I think I'm driven. I know I'm driven. I know I'm competitive. I know I'm ambitious. I know I'm introspective and I can pay attention to how I'm showing up. And I. I think I'm empathic. Kinds are different things.
Steve Ellis:
Kinds. A kind is somewhat setting aside a personal goal, setting aside what might have been a primary motive for something or somebody else. I wouldn't say I did that throughout the entire trip, but there was moments along the journey where I went, actually, you do whatever you want right now to get from a to b or to go and see that or do that isn't quite as important as helping this person to do whatever they. Whatever they need to do. Right. So there was a bit more. A bit more of that showed up than perhaps ordinarily. So maybe the context enabled that, but maybe.
Pete Clark:
Thank you for sharing. Did you do anything in preparation?
Steve Ellis:
We did a bit of walking around the park. You know, look, Debbie and I are both relatively fit. We do a lot of exercise and gym work and stuff like that. And we're fortunate enough to have a place that we go to in the Alps in France periodically. So we're able to avail ourselves of walking around some mountains and stuff. But nothing particularly. No.
Pete Clark:
You told me you went to the Cairngorm, Scotland.
Steve Ellis:
Ah, no, that was post. That was after we went on the trip. So. Yeah. Which probably leads us into what next. Right. So one of the things.
Pete Clark:
So quickly tell us what next and then tell us the Cairngorm story, then we'll pivot to what next. Because it.
Steve Ellis:
Yeah, so what next? So it wasn't a what next? It was a. It was a. A seed that was germinating before we even went to base camp. And the seed that was germinating before we went to base camp was I would like to climb to the top of Mount Everest. 8848 meters to the top of Mount Everest. A little part of going to base camp was, I've never been above two and a half thousand meters. I've been two and a half thousand meters or 3000 meters in the Alps. I've never been up there.
Steve Ellis:
Debbie's been to Kilimanjaro. She knows what 5700 meters looks like. I've not. I don't know. So let's. Let's use this. This trip to base camp as a city. Who knows? All the, all the things I'd read was.
Steve Ellis:
It was pretty arbitrary. You can't necessarily train for it. And so. So let's go and see how I respond. So did, all right, as I mentioned earlier, no, no altitude sickness. So now I'm going, right? I'm doing it. Right. So 2026, I'm now climbing to Mount Everest.
Steve Ellis:
And then I start. You start doing what we know we should do, which is we start telling people in order to put it out into the universe in order to create some commitment. So I start telling people and you start getting some range of feedback like, you're an idiot, don't do it. My mom says, right, I'm not talking to you kind of stuff. And until you change your mind and all of that kind of stuff. And there's some very useful stuff that says a bit like your question, did I do any preparation for it? So you've got to prepare for the Everest, right? You've got to do some stuff, I reckon. So it's a bit more complicated. Well, it's funny you mentioned that the journey to base camp, the range of preparation there.
Steve Ellis:
I mean, we had some people in our group, bless them, that didn't even have a waterproof jacket. And you're like, well, I'm sure anyway. So there are different degrees of preparation. Clearly there's some complexity to climbing Mount Everest, which includes you've got to walk across the Khumbu icefall, which is basically a glacier which has got lots of crevices and therefore you need to walk across ladders. There's altitude, there's avalanche risk, there's using oxygen, there's using ropes. There's a little bit more complexity to it. So I decided to book myself onto a mountaineering course in the Cairngorms for a week. So I did that in February of this year, which was just brilliant and.
Steve Ellis:
But it was quite revealing. It's quite revealing of an absence of knowledge and an absence of expertise. So one of the funny stories was right at the intro when we're all sat in the lecture theatre and the guides that we were with wanted to assess where everybody was at in the group. And I think, again, there was about ten of us or something in the group. So one of the guides opening questions was, I want to know two things. I want to know what boots do you have? What are your boots? And I want to know when was the last time you wore any crampons? And.
Pete Clark:
Tell me you didn't say Adidas World cup or puma kings or something.
Steve Ellis:
I've got some nikes. No, not far off. So it was not too far. So the first person sort of responds and says, well, I've got some b two s. And I went, well, that sounds quite technical. I've got some b two s. And the last time I wore them was when I was on a trip to Patagonia. And then the next person says, well, I've got some b three s.
Steve Ellis:
And I last wore my crampons when I was climbing Mont Blanc in the Alps. And everybody went around with these amazing details of their latest trips to anywhere. And I'm sitting there, I have no idea what kind of boots I've got. I only bought them last week. So I literally turned to the group saying, well, I don't know what my boots are. Lifted my legs up and said, these are them. And somebody went, they are b two s. I went, okay, good.
Steve Ellis:
I didn't know that. And the last time I wore my crampons was yesterday in the garden. So that's an. So I was definitely the lowest common denominator in the group.
Pete Clark:
Are you the example that we've talked about before for being the motivated idiot?
Steve Ellis:
I wasn't. Yeah, I was definitely motivated and lacked knowledge, skills, wisdom, anything. So it was a great week. There was a lot of lessons, a lot of lessons learned, so that was fantastic. And the cairngorms were just amazing. One other lovely story around that week was so we had three guides to begin with, two guides for the majority of the week, Jamie and Adele. Not that Adele. And I think it's about day three, day four of a five or six day trip.
Steve Ellis:
We're climbing up the Cairngorms and there's a group ahead of us, and this one lay. The instructor in the group ahead of us turned around, looked at our group and then spoke loudly to her group and said, ladies and gentlemen, stop what you are doing. We are in the company of greatness. Which obviously, I sort of looked up and went, how does she know? And she said, recognize me. You're in the company of greatness. Ladies and gentlemen, let me introduce you to Adele Pennington. And we all look at Adele, who's been coaching us and guiding us for the last three days. Adele Pennington is the first british woman to climb Mount Everest twice.
Steve Ellis:
You know, and there's a, there's a. There's this. It gives me goosebumps. This lady's five foot tall. Yeah. She climbed Mount Everest as a guide twice. She guided people to the top of Mount Everest twice. And her humbleness with regards to that achievement was profound.
Steve Ellis:
I never once did she mention it. Never once did she mention it. And then upon being quizzed from that moment on, tell me more, tell me more, tell me more. Never once, never once was it positioned as an ego thing at all. It was only ever in her dialogue with me, it was only ever a discovery thing. It wasn't an ego thing. It was always helping others discover our own capability and actually enjoy the mountain. Don't enjoy the top, just enjoy the mountain.
Steve Ellis:
Enjoy being in that environment. No, enjoy being in that environment for a sustained period of nearly two months whilst getting to the top and then getting successfully down to the bottom. But just enjoy it rather than only enjoy it. If you do, there's no if to it. If I get to the top, I'll be happy. That wasn't so. It was. She was.
Steve Ellis:
She was amazing. Amazing Adele Pennington. Look her up. She's just amazing lady. As was Jamie. Jamie, Jamie. So, yeah, we had, we had two. Two yodas.
Steve Ellis:
And as guides, they were just. They were legends. They were amazing. Yeah. Wow.
Pete Clark:
So.
Steve Ellis:
So, yeah, so now you're going to.
Pete Clark:
The song if you get the option.
Steve Ellis:
Via the airplanes.
Pete Clark:
Yeah.
Steve Ellis:
So I've got another step on the journey. 2025. 2025. I'm climbing to the top of a mountain called Island Peak. So island peak takes us to, I think it's 6200 or 6250 meters. So a little bit. A lot higher. But it's similar to Everest in the sense that it's technical and you've got to walk across ladders and you've got to use ropes and you've got to know what you're doing.
Steve Ellis:
And I've committed to making sure I'm not that person. That person that slows everybody down. That person that is the cause of those photographs that everybody sees online with loads of queues of people trying to get to the top. So I'm not going to be that person. So more learning and more training to prepare. Prepare myself for Everest 2026. Wow. At the age of 56, just on.
Pete Clark:
That, those pictures that we've all, or mostly most of us seen of the queues going up to the top of Everest, is that caused by one person?
Steve Ellis:
No, there's a bit of a misread on some of those photographs.
Pete Clark:
Only always these days there's a yes.
Steve Ellis:
There's a yes that delays can be caused, particularly at the Hillary step. The Hillary step, which is just above the south summit, ahead of the summit, is quite technical and if people are anxious, nervous or have low knowledge, that's going to slow things down a little bit. It's also very narrow and because it's very narrow, it's very difficult to have people going up and people coming down. So inevitably it's a delay point. The misread is that nobody, nobody is walking fast at that point. Nobody's walking. Everything above 8000 meters, 8000 meters to the peak, which is 8848. And a little bit is called the death zone.
Steve Ellis:
And the death zone is where there's so little oxygen that at a cellular level you are dying. Right. Statistically there's a sort of one in 100 chance of mortality if you attempt Everest, if you're successful, that is, if you get to the top, that statistic gets worse. It's four in 100, so it's one in 25. And the primary reason for that increasing is this successful people have been in the death zone for longer and actually it's harder to get down because you've been in the death zone for longer. Nobody is walking very fast at that point. Everybody's struggling with their breathing and just putting 1ft in front of the other. So inevitably it's going to show up as a queue and many people in that queue are grateful.
Steve Ellis:
I just want to. There's no rush here, everybody, let's just steady away. But of course, that is complicated. That queue is complicated if there's a problem in the queue, if there's somebody struggling or somebody doesn't know what, quite know what they're doing.
Pete Clark:
So window to summit and therefore d summit is quite narrow.
Steve Ellis:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean and it's tough so to get to. So you've gone from camp three to camp four. That's been ahead of heck of a trek. Right. You get to camp four which is at 8000 meters just arguably at the, just entering the death zone you probably sleep for 3 hours and 8000 meters to 8848 that's 848 meters of elevation. It's probably about three 4 km distance to get to that elevation.
Steve Ellis:
It's smaller, it's smaller than Snowden. For anybody in the UK Snowden's 1000 meters.
Pete Clark:
Right.
Steve Ellis:
So you've just got to get, you've just got to climb Snowden.
Pete Clark:
Right.
Steve Ellis:
I climbed Snowden in 2 hours, two and a half hours relatively easy. This is going to take 910, 1112 hours. Just the last bit to do that last bit, right on 3 hours sleep having trekked the day before. And then you've got to get down and you want to get down past the 8000 meters camp. So you want to get down to the 7000 metre camp. So that day with very little sleep, with very little oxygen you might be walking, trekking for 15 more hours that day, 9 hours, 10 hours, 11 hours to the summit in that queue and then getting back down past that queue to a place below or outside outside of the death zone a. That's a tough day. And to your point about the narrow window to reduce the risk you want to make sure you're doing it in reasonably good weather conditions and then the reason why people get, quote it takes two months to climb Everest is actually you go up down, up down, up down, up down, up down to acclimatize over and over again and you're also practicing but are you also trying to find the right weather window? And that weather window might only be three days.
Steve Ellis:
And obviously if you're at base camp at the start of that you've got to go base camp one, camp two, camp three, camp four summit. So you might not be in the right place at the right time for that three day window. You would hope in that three days you're somewhere around base camp three or you want to be at camp four during that window in order to get to the summit. So yeah everybody's looking at the weather to hit that window and there might be 400 people that have got a license to climb Everest that season to the top. People have got a license to climb to different levels and therefore you've got 400, 500 people all in that window trying to get to the top.
Pete Clark:
And how many of those with a license don't get to the top are the weather conditions.
Steve Ellis:
No, no.
Pete Clark:
Too many people.
Steve Ellis:
I don't know. I could look. I suspect. I don't know. That's a great question. I'd be making it up. I'd be guessing. So I don't know the answer to that.
Pete Clark:
Steve, I don't know if you've shared this with you. One of the things I learned here in Australia because obviously, the mindset stuff that we've done. Australia's probably most famous mountaineer is a guy called Michael Groom. He's actually named in the, I think, the biggest tragedy on Everest when a number of people died. And the film with, I think, Sylvester Stallone called Everest. He's one of the characters. He's pretty well known, and he tells this phenomenal story. I think it was his second descent.
Pete Clark:
And he's like, 400 meters from the top, which now, having heard a little bit about your experience, is, like, huge. And he's running out of oxygen, running out of food. He's already in his feet for a number of hours. And he kind of says to himself, he looks at the summit going, I know I've been there before, but I just can't make it. I just can't do it today. And he looks in front of me, goes, but I can get there. And he then takes eight steps, stops, looks up. No way I can get there.
Pete Clark:
Looks ahead, but I can get there. And proceeds to climb the last 400 meters eight steps at a time.
Steve Ellis:
Right.
Pete Clark:
Which is a brilliant true story and brilliant metaphor for making progress, not looking too far ahead, going, yep. It's the aspiration. But you know what? All I'm focusing on is getting there. Eight steps ahead. Stop, pause, breathe. Eight steps ahead. Stop, pause, breathe. Eight steps ahead.
Pete Clark:
Which I think is a wonderful metaphor for so many things.
Steve Ellis:
Yeah, yeah. But it's not too dissimilar to the Navy Seals, actually, which was when. When you interview them and they're talking about holding on, that you see those classic photographs of them holding onto the log and stuff. It's like, I can't hold on to this log for five minutes, but I can hold onto this log for one more second and then one more second and one more second and one more second. So. So I suspect, and I have experienced that before, the idea of just. Just perform what's in front of you.
Pete Clark:
Yeah.
Steve Ellis:
And. And that might be one step at. One step at a time. I read, as you'd expect. I've started reading lots of biographies and books, and I think it's Rebecca Stevenson, which I believe she was the first british woman to climb Mount Everest. She set herself the goal of a hundred step, making sure, doing a hundred, hundred steps each time. And she tells the story. That's a lot harder.
Steve Ellis:
That's a lot easier to tell yourself you're going to do than it was to do. So, broke it down even further. So break it down into those chunks. Yeah, I suspect that'll show up a lot. Yeah.
Pete Clark:
Final question, and I'm so grateful we connected this time and you've told me that, and this has been a great conversation to have for me. Two questions. What will you tell the Steve Ellis in June 2026 that doesn't make it because of weather conditions, because you're 75th in the queue and there's only 70 allowed, and you're at camp two and you just missed the opportunity. What will you tell that Steve? And what will you tell the Steve? That does make it.
Steve Ellis:
Big questions? Um, you know what's fascinating about this conversation? You're the only person that hasn't asked me another question. I'll come back to the other question. The only person so far. Right, Elliot. So, um, if I, um. In June 2026, if I haven't made it, I will say that I made it down.
Pete Clark:
Cool.
Steve Ellis:
So the goal.
Pete Clark:
Great answer from my perspective, by the way, as a mate.
Steve Ellis:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's, uh, it's an important, really important, um, mindset, uh, that success is getting down.
Pete Clark:
Yeah, interesting.
Steve Ellis:
Um, and, uh, success for Debbie is getting down is me getting down. Success for me is getting down successes. Success is getting down, uh, because. Because there's. There's success, if that's the right word. A bit like I was talking to when I was talking about Adele, the success and enjoying the mountain and enjoying, and enjoying it and experiencing it and seeing it and looking out across the vista along the way. And as I mentioned, just with the base camp journey, being around different people with different experiences, that's a success. I'm nothing.
Steve Ellis:
I don't know what the word is. I say that at the same time as saying, and. And wouldn't it be awesome? So, to answer your second question, wouldn't it be awesome if I did get to the top and successfully got down to the bottom? The thing I'm saying to myself actually, is, in part, in answer to the question you haven't asked me, which is, why am I doing it? So the thing I'm saying to myself when I get to the top and when I get back down is to do with the utility of the exercise, the activity, the achievement and the utility of it is significantly way beyond me. The reason why I'm. One of the reasons why I'm doing it. I want to raise money to build a school in Nepal. The valleys that lead up to Annapurna and up to Everest, they've got a number of schools in them. There's a third.
Steve Ellis:
Well, there's many valleys. There's another valley where children walk 5 hours a day for 1 hour of education and I'd like to reverse that. Where they walk for 1 hour for 5 hours of education. So going to try and raise some money to help build a school. There's a more domestic agenda, which is this sort of is Steve's chip on his shoulder to some extent. There are thousands of children in the UK whose daily narrative that they receive, for whatever reason. Maybe you and I know the important role that environment plays in people's psychology. You are an average of the five people you spend most of your time with.
Steve Ellis:
You're also an average of the environment. And the stimulus that you're bombarded with, either from teachers, parents or from the fact that all the shops on the high street sell fast food or whatever's around you, you're a part of that environment. So I believe there are thousands, hundreds of thousands of children in the UK whose. The narrative they receive is limiting in the sense that it tells them they can't. It tells them they can't become a racing driver, they can't set up a business, they can't. And look, there's also hundreds or thousands of people, thousands of children that cut through that and go, I'm not listening to that narrative. But many of them at an unconscious level, me included, for many, many years, would go, I can't do stuff. So the me that gets to the top and gets down wants to utilize that experience to go back into schools and shift the narrative.
Steve Ellis:
For one child, it'd be great if it was 100 kids, it'd be great if it was a thousand kids whose narrative might be can't to could or can. So that, that's the intention behind one intention, as there's other egocentric reasons and this, but there's, that's. Those are the two sort of erstwhile things. So I'll be saying, well done. How are you going to use this will be probably the sentence, wow, I'm.
Pete Clark:
Blown away and inspired and bless you, sir. One for the doing of it and one for the impact it will have on assuming you get down or having many, many people.
Steve Ellis:
Yeah, yeah. I might leave a letter just in case I don't saying the same thing. Because if you don't get down, I wonder what the fear is, whether that impacts 100 people in my life and they start reigning back on their ambitions because they've got a. They've got an experience that says you shouldn't, and I wouldn't want anybody to rein back on their ambition.
Pete Clark:
So isn't that a really interesting. Yeah, well, that seems like the perfect place to leave it on a conundrum.
Steve Ellis:
That's life.
Pete Clark:
That's life. It's been beautiful, wonderful, inspiring, energizing and just having such a bit of a laugh and a riff with you about this stupid bloody thing that you've chosen to do.
Steve Ellis:
Indeed.
Pete Clark:
Thank you so much for sharing.
Steve Ellis:
Cheers, mate. Thank you.
